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Merlin
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Hello? Did anyone bother reading the War and Peace I posted above? Did it help anyone understand it?
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yes I did read it... :)
I looked at my settings and they were half enabled and half disabled... I switched them both te be enabled always and will check my fps in games, I have not played a games since making the switch though... |
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Merlin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| RIP wrote: | yes I did read it... :)
I looked at my settings and they were half enabled and half disabled... I switched them both te be enabled always and will check my fps in games, I have not played a games since making the switch though... |
You read it, but did you understand it? If there's anything you're unclear on let me know.
You'll of course now find that your FPS will many times "peg" itself at whatever your refresh rate is set to, which will appear to limit your game speed. Just remember that if your refresh is set to 85Hz, for instance, and you're showing 85 frames per second, that's a GOOD THING, as it means you're getting the maximum number of perfect frames per second you can get.
Which brings me to another point - grab this utility if you don't know how to max your refresh rates for your particular display.
http://powerusers.info/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=23
To properly use this, be sure you have the right monitor configured in your 'Display' control panel first. Start/Settings/Control Panel - choose Display then click the Settings tab and click the Advanced button. Then go to the Monitor tab. If it doesn't show the exact model of your monitor or shows "Plug and Play Monitor" go and find the disk (CD or floppy) that came with your monitor, or search for the proper "driver" on the web (I quote driver here because monitors don't actually use a driver; the file you're installing is an INF file that simply tells Windows what the monitor's capabilities are).
Once the monitor is configured properly, just run Refresh Force and it will autodetect the maximum refresh rates at all resolutions - click Apply and then Exit. The changes will take effect the next time you change resolutions (like to enter a game). To see the difference it makes, if your refresh rates were not optimized before, try running a game like the demo of UT2004 and in the game press ~ and type:
which will show your frame rate at the top-right. With vsync enabled and a non-optimized display you may very well find your maximum frame rate is stuck at a lowly 60 fps. This is due to XP's issues with refresh rates (why this hasn't been fixed by MS yet is beyond me!  ). But this will give you a nice "before" idea so when you come back in at 85-120Hz refresh you'll see what you've been missing!
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Merlin
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ped wrote: | | You'll of course now find that your FPS will many times "peg" itself at whatever your refresh rate is set to, which will appear to limit your game speed. Just remember that if your refresh is set to 85Hz, for instance, and you're showing 85 frames per second, that's a GOOD THING, as it means you're getting the maximum number of perfect frames per second you can get. |
As an aside here I went in and played some Battlezone on my new 21" Sony monitor, which supports an awesome refresh rate of 150Hz at 1024x768 (which I of course have it set to do :D. And guess what my frame rate was the whole game on my 3 Ghz P4 with Radeon 9800 Pro? 150 fps every time I looked at it. That's a beautiful feeling... :P |
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I am gonna mess with it, being off work right now I have time to tinker around with it and see what happens..
I do like the way my monitor looks, the pictures always seem clear and the colors are good, movies play great, I have never noticed any ghosting or anything other than the flashing text I had described prior...
I am not, however, hardcore into the video stuff, as in a perfection kind of way... I have a fairly nice card and long as it plays the games I want it to play and it does what I need to for work I am a happy camper... I think it is kind of like the description of the audio cards... I was reading on some and the really high end ones do not offer anything that the untrained naked ear could even detect but under spectrum analysis they are far suerior... I actually am very happy with my sound as well and I probably would never notice the difference with six channels of 24-bit/96kHz audio or whatever mine puts out... SB16 live Platinum.. Dios has heard mine and I can't see how you would want more... I have had neighbors call the police thinking I was killing someone live... ;)
But I like to get the most out of everything, or at least say that I know how.. So I will be trying all settings that I can... |
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Merlin
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| Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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So does everyone have their settings tweaked up for VSYNC enabled now?
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I like the concentration on the issues of this group, but I would like a 'simple' set of selection critieria I can use to select by.
E.g., what are the specifications I should use to decide to purchase a monitor (crt vrs lcd) and video card that will enable the combination to be waaaay beyond my visual and mental ability to notice.
I want the visual system to be at least two times faster / better than what I can actually see... |
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Merlin
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| My take on it is if you get a fast LCD (16ms or better is the current standard for "fast") and get a very fast CPU and videocard that can push 60+ frames a second fairly consistently in the games and res you play, then I think you're OK. If you have to cut corners anywhere on that path then you may be better served by a CRT. |
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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OK where's the comparision picture of your CRT doing the same thing.
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| Lefty wrote: | | OK where's the comparision picture of your CRT doing the same thing. |
There won't be a comparison pic of my CRT doing the same thing (though it would look similar to the one of the LCD, only with less slices), because I can run at a high enough refresh rate that I don't NEED to run with vsync disabled to get good frame rates. I have a 150Hz refresh rate at my gaming res of 1024x768 on my CRT, compared to 60Hz (or at best 75Hz on some high-end models) on an LCD at the same res. Which means I can leave vsync enabled and my maximum FPS in games is capped at 150. Capping max FPS to 60 or 75 FPS is way too low for serious games/gamers.
This whole issue is the basis of my reasoning as to why LCDs are bad for gamers - their low refresh rates make disabling vsync nearly mandatory to get playable frame rates out of them. Which gets you the ripping you see pictured in the screenshot. |
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Lefty
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The best part of that thread is how you kept your composure in responding to Bart
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| Lefty wrote: | The best part of that thread is how you kept your composure in responding to Bart
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Thanks! It took a sincere effort to keep my cool when he started in on me. You know me (and my temper) all too well, my friend!  |
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